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How Susan Waldron Prospects $3 to $6 Million Expireds With the Same Scripts

Susan Waldron, Coldwell Banker

October 26, 2023 25 min

Susan Waldron, a Newport Beach agent, calls luxury expireds averaging $3 to $6 million with the same scripts she would use on a $400,000 home. She prospects about three times a week for three hours, tracks it by the quarter, and lets owners talk while she listens, takes notes and offers a market snapshot.

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    Use the same scripts on a $6 million expired as on a $400,000 one, since both owners give the same answers, like “Don’t disturb me” or “maybe next year”

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    Let luxury owners guide the call and take notes instead of rushing to the next question, because the more they tell you, the more you know and the more they remember you

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    Offer high-end owners a snapshot of the current market to see if selling makes sense business-wise, since many have a second or third home and no need to move

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    Prospect on a schedule you can keep, about three times a week for three hours in her case, mark each session and judge results by the quarter

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    Size a price adjustment to what will cause movement in that location, which may be 10,000 or 15,000 on a 400,000 home and might be a million on a 6 million one

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    Luxury sellers who built their own wealth pick the agent who gives them the stats, negotiates and knows the contracts, not the one with a Lamborghini

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    Track the market through calls and open houses to spot buying windows; Waldron bought a townhouse listed at 1.4 after it dropped to 950

Transcript

00:00Cold open on what luxury sellers look for

Aaron Wittenstein00:00

Which is so interesting to me when you deal with those higher price points. And what you don’t realize is, I think you’re helping a lot of people today sharing this information, because a lot of people, they get stuck in their own brains about this type of property.

Susan Waldron00:12

They feel like they need to be someone in order to speak to these people.

00:18But the way I see it is that there’s a lot of entrepreneurs, there’s a lot of people that have gained massive success, that they’re not generational wealth. So when they see someone who’s just professional, who’s being real, who’s giving them the stats, who’s gonna go to bat for them, who knows how to negotiate, who knows the contracts inside and out, who studies the market, that’s who they’re gonna select.

00:44‘Cause they’re gonna be like, “Yeah, you remind me of me, but you’re just not where I’m at.”

Aaron Wittenstein01:10

What’s going on everybody? It’s me, it’s Aaron Wittenstein, and we are here with Vulcan7 Roadmap. This is how we teach you to take one, two, three, four listings a week, okay? And I’ve brought a very good friend with me today, all the way from Newport Beach, California, Susan Waldron. Susan, how are you doing today?

Susan Waldron01:28

I’m doing great, Aaron. Thank you so much for having me.

Aaron Wittenstein01:31

Oh, you’re very, very welcome. What’s new and exciting?

01:34Homes now selling in 10 days instead of 20

Susan Waldron01:34

Oh, the market. I was looking at the stats and actually looking at the data, because as I call and as I’m getting these appointments, not only am I practicing scripts and just diving in and speaking, trying to get that appointment, but I’m also realizing in this market here, it’s selling very quickly.

01:53Last year it was like 20 days to get offers accepted, and now it’s taking about like 10 days. So that’s very exciting there.

Aaron Wittenstein02:04

So let me get this straight, let me get this straight. We have rising interest rates, right?

02:09We have, I would assume, lowering inventory.

02:13Is that right?

Susan Waldron02:14

The inventory has gone low, so therefore the demand here has been peaking up. So homes are selling a lot quicker on the market, and they’re also increasing in price, actually. I know. I was in a coaching session, and this is new for me. I was like, “The agent, how come I don’t know this?”

Aaron Wittenstein02:35

It’s so weird. But okay, so maybe I’m just, what’s the word? Ignorant, okay? ‘Cause I like to live in a bubble. You know what I mean? That’s my thing, especially when it comes to real estate, in my own bubble, which encompasses my market and my family and nothing else, all right?

02:51Am I right? It’s the ignorance bubble.

Susan Waldron02:53

Same until yesterday. I was just like, these little nuggets.

02:58And so now I’m on the phone, and now I’m doing the three hours, and now I’m like, “Screw it, I’m gonna do the fourth hour,” because these properties are selling so quick that I need to inform sellers on the other side that were looking to sell last year and dropped out, maybe ’cause they were waiting 20 days on the market, and let them know that, “Hey, it’s taking half the time, and I can prove it.”

03:26Her prospecting schedule and West Coast Zoom room

Aaron Wittenstein03:26

So all right. So you put in the normal three hours.

03:30Is that daily, Monday through Friday, Monday through Sunday, like double shift on Tuesday? What does your prospecting schedule look like?

Susan Waldron03:37

I’m gonna be very honest, that it’s not consistent.

03:42But I am working towards that. I’m actually in Vulcan7, like I’m the West Coast person that people can jump in with, and so that holds me accountable, because I know I put it out there that people are gonna be coming in from the West Coast. So it keeps me in line. But I typically prospect about three times a week for three hours.

Aaron Wittenstein04:16

All right. So wait, so tell me a little bit more about what, you have people jumping in with you? Like a prospecting session? Like, what is…

04:23What is that?

Susan Waldron04:24

That’s right. Well, it’s more like I have this Zoom link out there, and anyone is welcome, even if they’re listening to this on the West Coast. If you’re looking for accountability, just chime in. I’m gonna be honest, it’s gonna be a boring group, because we’re all on camera, but we’re all on mute, but we’re all doing the prospecting, and I think that’s pretty cool, because it shows people that there’s other agents that are also calling and doing the work.

Aaron Wittenstein04:58

Oh. I mean, it’s head down, blinders on, make some money, right?

05:04Got it. Yeah, no, that’s amazing. And I think the thing is, in a perfect world, when life doesn’t get in the way, we wanna put in three hours a day, five days a week, right? Yet if you’re consistently doing 9 to 10 to 11 to 12, it’s a little bit of a kick-up, you know what I mean?

05:19Tracking prospecting by the quarter like a muscle

Susan Waldron05:19

Yes. I always say it’s like building a muscle, right? So if I’m doing three hours and I look at it within a quarter, if I’m consistent, I track it. I have these little marks, and I’m just like, “Okay, I did this day,” and so I can see it for the month, because I just don’t wanna go back to the same routine, which I find agents keep doing: they’re inconsistent, but then they go back to the same routine, and then they wonder, with this pain of, “Why am I not getting something?

05:53Something’s wrong.” So I think I’ve been in the business, and also obsessed with learning the skills of how to do things, and the patience of what it really takes time-wise. So then I realized that, okay, it’s a quarter thing. Real estate’s always a quarter thing. If you prospect within that quarter, you will have an amazing second, third, or whatever quarter after the one you started.

06:16So I see it the same with cold calling. It’s a new skill for me. I’m not gonna jump in and say, “I’m gonna…” Because I still have sphere of influence, and I’m also a mom, so I have a busy schedule. But I have to work a schedule that I know that I’m able to pull through and see if I’m being effective, and if I’m not, maybe I have to practice my skills, or there’s another level that I need to reach, after seeing if it’s all panning out.

Aaron Wittenstein06:50

So what you’re telling me is you’re systematic and, I was gonna say orientated, schedule oriented. Is that correct?

Susan Waldron06:59

I learned to be that way because I’ve learned that successful people are that way. So I think it’s a good way to track and measure.

Aaron Wittenstein07:08

Oh, yeah. I mean, especially when you have a family, you have kids, it’s fitting

07:12it’s fitting everything into a box. I mean, I’m the same, I got three kids, you know what I mean? And it’s fitting your dance class, and your Boy Scouts, and your basketball, and all that stuff into one box, on top of working and running a successful business like you run, right?

Susan Waldron07:28

Absolutely. And it’s also like you don’t wanna go into the sign of insanity of doing things over and over and over, right? So at some point the brain goes into, “Is this really working?” And of course, it’s gonna work if you’re consistent, but the brain is gonna say, “It’s not working,” because you’re inconsistent and you have zero results.

07:51So I just do that measure.

Aaron Wittenstein07:55

Hmm. Oh, that’s an interesting concept. ‘Cause when you think about everything, when it comes to the brain and tricking your mind and doing all that stuff, it’s like, how can I put this? It’s tricking your mind to know that what you’re doing may not

08:11yield results yet, but as you said, the first quarter for the second quarter, the second for the third, the third for the fourth, and so on and so forth. I think it’s so important that you said that there. So talk to me about your business. Like, your production.

08:23Like, what are you most proud about when it comes to the production of the business?

08:29Buying a townhouse that dropped from 1.4 to 950

Susan Waldron08:29

I am so proud that we bought last year here, and I feel like that has everything to do with prospecting. I also still do open houses. That’s something that I’ve learned from the beginning.

08:43It’s how I’ve generated business, like when I first started real estate, and so I still continue doing that. So it’s also good to do what actually works, right? And not just give it up. So then I was doing an open house in Newport Beach, in this specific neighborhood, and as I was seeing the market being very steady, I was looking at the buyers coming in and telling me where they’re at in buying, how long.

09:12‘Cause that’s another reason why I do open houses, to meet buyers and to see where they’re really at, right? Because that and data equals, okay, you have knowledge. Now you know how the market is going. And so I was eyeing this neighborhood, and then when it dropped… I lived in a townhouse, like a townhouse community.

09:36It was listed for 1.4, and then it dropped to like 950, and I dove in. This is a hard community to get in. There’s never homes for sale. It’s like one or two, maybe, a quarter that’s up for sale, and then they get sold so quickly. So the rates increased during that time, 7%. So this is where buyers were like, “Heck no, I’m not gonna buy,” when I was telling my buyers, “Go ahead and buy because everybody has to now.”

10:06You know? If a seller really needs to sell, they’re gonna adjust. They’re gonna be workable. So that’s when I came in and I bought my property, and I thought to myself, “Wow, that’s the beauty of being in this business.” That’s the beauty of it, even during that time, I’m prospecting. It’s not like I had a lot of leads and my business was going all hot.

10:28It was still the same. It was going through the motions of what’s going on in the market. But I was able to get an opportunity because I was tracking the market and I was seeing what was out there. It was either a client of mine or me that was gonna jump in, and so we were able to jump in and purchase.

10:48And now it’s worth the 1.4.

Aaron Wittenstein10:54

There you go. There you go. Yeah. That’s great, and I can tell, the way you’re speaking, the smile that comes onto your face, that that was really important for you, wasn’t it?

Susan Waldron11:04

It was important to us. And not just that, I also experienced other miracles with other clients.

11:10That’s what I always say. This market always shifts, but you have to learn the shift. I see it like a playing field. So you have to know how people are playing in order to win. So I got other clients amazing opportunities, again, unheard of. They weren’t qualified high, and they were able to sweep in, get something, and boom, within like six months now they have like 100K equity.

11:39The market is amazing that way. It’s almost like you never wanna go where the ants go. You wanna be that one little ant, the ant that drifts away. And that’s how you play in this market. That’s why I love real estate so much.

Aaron Wittenstein11:56

I can tell. I love playing the market, you know what I mean?

11:58‘Cause I think what happens is, and I’ll be the first one to say it for myself, we take this so seriously. You know what I mean? I mean, it’s serious. Yet the thing is that when you have fun with it… And I saw an agent the other day, she’s a brand new agent, and I think you’ll appreciate this, she was so happy because she’s brand new to real estate.

12:18And I’m like, “Do me a favor. I need you to encapsulate this moment right now. Because this business will be up and down and down and up and up and down and down and up. Just remember how you feel.” And whenever you feel, eh, remember that. All right, so I know we were talking a little bit before we popped on here that your prospecting skills are

12:40being increased and pushed right now, because of the price points that you’re in and the market that you’re in. So can you kinda share with me a little bit about what we spoke about?

12:51Talking to luxury owners like human beings

Susan Waldron12:51

Sure, but you know what I actually do? I don’t look at the price range of who I’m calling.

13:02I mean, believe it or not, sometimes it’s insane. Sometimes it’s like 20 million, 30 million, like these homes in Laguna, because I’m also hitting Laguna. I’m hitting Newport Coast, and so it’s like these are… And I just talk to them like human beings.

13:23I go with the script, and my whole goal is to do the script as effectively as I could and be a listener. And when they speak, I just let them speak. I don’t ask the next question. I let them guide. I let them tell me as much, ’cause I know the more they tell me, the more that I’m gonna know. Take notes.

13:55They’re gonna remember me. I’m not gonna be an obnoxious agent who’s just going for the hunt. And I’m looking more for the opportunity to build rapport with them, to have an opportunity to visit them, and of course to see their motives, if they’re looking to sell, if that really does make sense for them.

14:22And then offering them the suggestion of, “Would you like for me to show you the snapshot of the current market to see if it makes sense for you to sell?” Because a lot of times, these clients that have that high price, they’re not concerned about their next buy. They just wanna make a smart decision if they’re gonna put their property up on the market.

14:48And they might have a second, third home elsewhere. They’re not attached to, “I have to move somewhere.” They could make it happen, but it just has to make sense for them business-wise, ’cause these are business owners. So that’s how I approach it. I come in as, “Let me show you the stats of the market.

15:10Let’s have a conversation of what’s going on. Let’s see if this makes sense for you business-wise.” And it could be emotional, because it could be someone’s home.

15:22Calling expireds at $3 to $6 million

Aaron Wittenstein15:22

So what’s the average price? ‘Cause you’re calling luxury listings right now. Just based on what you’re doing, you’re calling luxury.

15:29Well, I assume luxury expireds is kind of what we’re talking about?

Susan Waldron15:32

Yeah, expireds.

Aaron Wittenstein15:33

Okay. What’s the average price point that you’re calling right now, would you say?

Susan Waldron15:38

I think the average would be maybe about 6 million.

Aaron Wittenstein15:44

6 million, okay. So…

Susan Waldron15:44

3 to 6 million. Yeah.

Aaron Wittenstein15:46

So your average listing taken then at that point is what?

15:493, 4, 5, $6 million at this point? I mean, is that kinda what we’re looking at?

Susan Waldron15:52

Mm-hmm.

Aaron Wittenstein15:53

So what’s the difference? Let me rephrase this. There’s no difference. Is there a difference?

Susan Waldron16:01

No.

Aaron Wittenstein16:04

Okay, so let me get this straight. Let me just get this straight. You’re calling a half a million dollar expired and a $6 million expired.

16:11Okay, did I say six and a half? Whatever. There’s no difference in that conversation at all?

Susan Waldron16:16

We all use the same scripts, same words. It’s all human touch. They’re human. At the end of the day, they have the emotions. They have the reasons of why they took their property off the market. If they yell at me, hey, I can get yelled at by someone who has a home that’s 400, right, in my area.

16:40They will tell me, “Don’t disturb me.” 6 million will say, “Don’t disturb me.” A 400 would say, “Yeah, I’m not looking to sell right now. Possibly next year. We’re not sure.” Same answer on the 6 million: “Yeah, we’re not sure if we’re looking to sell right now. Right now probably is not a good time.

16:59Maybe next year.” And what I’m saying is it’s no different. So with the 400, I have to look at their stats and see if it makes sense for them. With the 6 million, I have to look at their stats in their neighborhood and see if it makes sense for them. All the same.

Aaron Wittenstein17:18

So was there like, when you went…

17:21‘Cause what was your average price point before you moved? What were you looking at?

Susan Waldron17:26

About 800.

Aaron Wittenstein17:27

800 to 6 million. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So, okay. All right. Now that’s…

Susan Waldron17:32

I’m so lucky I’m here.

Aaron Wittenstein17:33

No, that’s pretty odd. I love it. I love this, because I don’t think, I know what’s happening is a lot of agents get very intimidated,

17:43you know, when they hear that. So when did you realize, you know what, this is no different? There has to have been like an aha moment, if you will.

17:55Her first 1.2 million listing and a price adjustment

Susan Waldron17:55

You know what’s so interesting is that when I first started real estate, I was in Downey, and I was selling homes that were 400, 600, because this was like 10 years ago, right?

18:06And I got an opportunity to sell a home that was 1.2, and everybody in my office was like, “What the heck,” right? And I didn’t have a fancy car. I was probably two, three years in the business or something like that. The way I met this seller is I was just doing an open house like I always did, and she was just a lead, and then she just so happened to have this gorgeous home.

18:35And I went there, and I was so nervous, but I just did the stats. And I sat with her and we discussed the process of selling and where they’re at, why they’re gonna be selling, their big whys. They were retiring, and they sold their businesses, and now they wanted to sell this beautiful property.

19:03And so then I listed it, and it sat on the market for like… I had to do a price adjustment, and I was really nervous. I was like, “How do you make…” So we were at 1.2, and I had to make an adjustment of 75,000. And they did it, and then it sold. And I remember myself back then saying, “Oh, well, no different.”

19:29No different. Like, now it’s 6 million, so it’s, again, looking at the data and seeing, so at this price range, what would be the drop? What would be the significant drop to cause movement? It might be a million. I don’t know. I have to look at the location. And it’s the same thing if I’m selling a home that’s 400.

19:51I’m looking at the stats. What’s a drop? Is it 10,000, 15? What would cause movement? And just being crystal clear with the owner about that and seeing if it works for them or not, and why it doesn’t.

Aaron Wittenstein20:06

See, it’s just so interesting to me. Like I said, it’s so interesting to me when you deal with those higher price points.

20:11And she’s like, “All right, whatever.” You know what I mean? It’s all the same thing, it’s just a different decimal point on it. That’s really about it. And what you don’t realize is, I think you’re helping a lot of people today sharing this information, because a lot of people, they get stuck in their own brains about this type of property.

20:33It’s a very interesting concept.

20:35Why entrepreneurs hire agents who run like a business

Susan Waldron20:35

They feel like they need to be someone in order to speak to these people. But the way I see it is that there’s a lot of entrepreneurs, there’s a lot of people that have gained massive success, that they’re not generational wealth.

20:51So when they see someone who’s just professional, who’s being real, who’s giving them the stats, who’s gonna go to bat for them, who knows how to negotiate, who knows the contracts inside and out, who studies the market, that’s who they’re gonna select, ’cause they’re gonna be like, “Yeah, you remind me of me, but you’re just not where I’m at.”

21:13But that doesn’t matter, because they only care about, are they gonna get the level of service that they want? They’re not looking at, okay, I have this Lamborghini, so I need an agent who has a Lamborghini. That doesn’t make any sense.

Aaron Wittenstein21:31

Yeah, ’cause entrepreneurs get entrepreneurs.

21:37I always say you’ve got a couple personality types, and the fifth personality type is a salesperson. Because with a salesperson you can be straightforward, and then they’ll appreciate it right back. It’s my favorite people to work with, actually. Just the way they work.

Susan Waldron21:48

Okay, so that’s what it is. I guess for the agent who wants to go into luxury, think about it: if they’re an entrepreneur, they run businesses, so then I guess the only match an agent has to be is that you have to operate like a business.

22:05And you have to be an entrepreneur, meaning you gotta do what it takes.

22:10So if it’s cold calling, if it’s door-knocking, if it’s having massive open houses, it’s just doing things at a very high level, because this is how they operate.

Aaron Wittenstein22:22

But it’s being… The fun part is it’s being a chameleon, and that’s what we do. Whether it’s 100,000, a million, 100 million,

22:32it doesn’t really make a difference. We have to be chameleons and meet with the people that we relate to, and it’s our job to relate to anybody. So Susan, let me ask you, I ask everybody this question. I ask everybody, and I’m really intrigued to hear what your answer is, okay?

22:46So you’re sitting in your office, you know what I mean? You’re pulling out some comps for a $73 million property, okay?

22:51And an agent walks past your desk and is like, “Susan, what is one piece of advice you have for me?” What would that be?

23:02Bring your A game and be yourself

Susan Waldron23:02

Bring your A game. Bring your A game, because that’s what is gonna make you relate to people. I had someone tell me, who was super successful, when I first started in the business, “Susan, you can’t be like Marie. You can’t be like Michael. You can’t…” And these were top agents in my office, because the moment you act like Michael and Marie, your clients are not gonna know who you are.

23:32But if you come in as yourself, as your perfect whole self who wants to dominate, kick ass in your business, then that’s the person who’s gonna win the business. So that’s what I would tell them, is just be your authentic self, but just improve yourself with scripts, and get a coach, and do what you have to do to get yourself in the business.

24:01Become that business person that you envision yourself as, but be more of yourself in it. ‘Cause then that’s gonna open opportunities. That’s what I would say.

Aaron Wittenstein24:12

I like that. I like that a lot, and I’m not saying that to be nice either. That makes a lot of sense. All right, final words before we head out for the day.

24:21What do you got?

Susan Waldron24:23

Kick ass, and know your measures. That’s the only way. And stop chasing the shiny object.

Aaron Wittenstein24:35

It’s true. It’s true. It’s true. All right. All right, Susan, so thank you so much for being here today. I genuinely appreciate it. So let’s say someone is like, “Oh my gosh, I have a $77 billion seller in Newport Beach.”

24:52How do they get in touch with you? What’s the best way to get in touch with you?

Susan Waldron24:55

Okay, so give me a call. Text me. That’s the best thing. Just text me. I’ll get ahold of you very quickly. My number is 949-933-9794.

Aaron Wittenstein25:08

Can you repeat that one more time for those in the back?

Susan Waldron25:10

949-933-9794.

Aaron Wittenstein25:14

Excellent.

25:15Susan, thank you so much for being here today. I genuinely appreciate it. I wish you nothing but the best in your business. And can you do me a huge favor?

Susan Waldron25:24

Sure.

Aaron Wittenstein25:25

Have an amazing day. I’ll see you guys all later. Take care of yourselves.

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Guest

Susan Waldron

Coldwell Banker · Newport Beach, CA

Susan Waldron started in real estate in Downey about 10 years ago and now prospects luxury expireds in Newport Beach, Newport Coast and Laguna.

Questions This Episode Answers

Do you need different scripts to call luxury expired listings?

Susan Waldron says no. She calls expireds averaging $3 to $6 million with the same scripts and words she would use on a $400,000 home. Both owners give the same answers, like “Don’t disturb me” or “maybe next year,” and for both she looks at the stats in their neighborhood to see if selling makes sense.

How do you talk to a high-end homeowner on a cold call?

Waldron talks to them like human beings. She runs the script, then listens and lets them guide, taking notes rather than rushing to the next question. She aims to build rapport, learn their motives and offer a snapshot of the current market, because many own other homes and only sell if it makes sense business-wise.

How big should a price reduction be on a luxury listing?

Waldron says it depends on the data and the location. She asks what drop would cause movement: on a 400,000 home it might be 10,000 or 15,000, and on a 6 million home it might be a million. Early in her career, a 1.2 million listing of hers sold after a 75,000 adjustment.

How often should an agent cold call to see results?

Waldron prospects about three times a week for three hours and marks each session to track the month. She treats it like building a muscle and measures it by the quarter, saying that consistent prospecting in one quarter pays off in the next. Inconsistency leads the brain to decide it is not working.

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